[读书报告] Rethinking Thin

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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2007-08-07 21:00

Knowing wrote:我认的好些女人对自己的身体很满意,但这并不妨碍她们中有一些接着精益求精的防范任何衰老迹象.
是啊,而且好多女人说自己胖,其实是嫌大腿不够细,脸不够小,腰上有块肉。其实别人看上去,她们都可以归到饥民类。
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Post by Jun » 2007-08-08 7:07

I agree with xiao K's hypothesis that thinness, or the standard of beauty in general, is associated with youth -- ie, lots and lots of fertility. However, the extent of thinness driving today's ideals exceeds reproductive necessity. (Exceedingly low body fat could cause infertility.) The Paris Hilton, Kate Moss level of thinness is certainly not going to help with having children.

Like the cause and risk factors for obesity, the social motivation of endless pursuit for ever thinner body image can be of many facets. It's not an either-or, unifying-theory, one-single-bullet thing.

However, since one cannot become younger no matter what you do (with the exception of continual and extensive plastic surgery), one can at least try to become richer, which has some correlation with thinness.

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Post by Knowing » 2007-08-08 7:36

Because getting rich is so much easier than losing weight? This is like making Meth out of Clariton-D :worthy:
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Post by Jun » 2007-08-08 7:45

Maybe. After you read the book you might actually get the feeling that getting rich (at least richer than how you are now) is probably easier than losing weight.

There's another argument -- Becoming richer (than you are now) can conceivably also help you lose weight and potentially improve your feeling of well-being, but losing weight and keeping it off will not make you richer (could hurt your wallet too) and is more likely to make you more obsessive and neurotic.

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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2007-08-08 8:18

但是中国的有钱人多数比一般收入的人吨位大。像社会底层的民工都很fit。
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Post by 花差花差小将军 » 2007-08-08 8:45

Yeah, once I was dreaming of taking a job at the construction site or stacking shelves at the local supermarket. Spartans!
BTW, I watched the recently released DVD of 300. Of course, as a person obssessed with eating (well), I noticed there's no mention of food supply to the warriors, except a scene of the Spartan king nibbling an apple. I scratched my head and then conculded this was not a realistic movie.
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Post by Knowing » 2007-08-08 8:54

Correlation does not imply causation. Otherwise you can argue shooting a porn film will effectively increase women's cupsize to 36DD and above.
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Post by 花差花差小将军 » 2007-08-08 8:57

At least some would feel that way, though not realistic :mrgreen:
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Post by CAVA » 2007-08-08 9:00

笑嘻嘻 wrote:但是中国的有钱人多数比一般收入的人吨位大。像社会底层的民工都很fit。
再过几年大概也跟多数发达地区差不多了,富人瘦,穷人胖。现如今对中国的低收入人群来说,麦当劳还是奢侈品,最近又涨了价,要从大人嘴里省下来喂孩子的,所以下一代越来越胖。

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Post by Jun » 2007-08-08 9:08

The correlation between higher socioeconomics and weight, in the developed country, is obviously stronger than the correlation between weight and actively dieting. Actually, I'd say actively dieting is negatively correlated with body weight. The more people diet, the fatter they seem to become. The people who lose weight successfully through dieting seem to have more mental preoccupation (obsessed?) with food and numbers.

Of course, I am not trying to stop anyone from recording every bite they eat every day, day after day, and weighing themselves morning, noon, night every day. (These are the reported characteristics of people in the National Weight-Loss Registry or something like that who have lost a lot of weight and kept it off for at least 5 years.)

Didn't the series Rome explain what they ate back then? I remember seeing the fruits, olives, bread, and a sticky porridge type of goo. Where did they get all the protein to build muscle?

(I have to wonder if all the six-packs in the movie were CGI.)

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Post by 洛洛 » 2007-08-08 10:14

花差花差小将军 wrote:Yeah, once I was dreaming of taking a job at the construction site or stacking shelves at the local supermarket. Spartans!.
你不会真的想那样吧,真的上了工地,在你LOSE一磅肉之前已经晒得像黑炭头了。
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当然我的作秀潜台词是:你太太工作挣钱不容易啊,下班还给你煮饭洗碗你要感恩一辈子。 :eyepatch:
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Post by Jun » 2007-08-08 10:46

And you deny your job is sooooooo glamorous! :love007:

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Post by tiffany » 2007-08-08 10:49

笑嘻嘻 wrote:
Knowing wrote:我认的好些女人对自己的身体很满意,但这并不妨碍她们中有一些接着精益求精的防范任何衰老迹象.
是啊,而且好多女人说自己胖,其实是嫌大腿不够细,脸不够小,腰上有块肉。其实别人看上去,她们都可以归到饥民类。
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Post by 洛洛 » 2007-08-08 15:12

在100度下的老墨区晒成臭臭的人干有什么glamorous哒。
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Post by simonsun » 2007-08-14 3:40

看Auden的散文,正好看到这样一段。就抄了来。
If one visits a bathing house, one can observe that men and women grow fat in different ways. A fat woman exaggerates her femininity; her breasts abd buttocks enlarge till she comes to look like the Venus of Willendorf. A fat man, on the other hand, looks like a cross between a very young child and a pregnant mother. There have been cultures in which obesity in women was considered the ideal of sexual attraction, but in no culture, so far as I know, has a fat man been considered more attractive than a thin one. If my own weight and experience give me any authority, I would say that fatness in the male is the physical expression of a psychological wish to withdrawn from sexual competition and, by combining mother and child in his own person, to become emotionally self-sufficent. The Greeks thought of Narcissus as a slender youth but I think they were wrong. I see him as a middle-aged man with a corporation, for, however ashamed he may be of displaying it in public, in private a man with a belly loves it dearly; it may be an unprepossessing child to look at, but he has borne it all by himself.
大概是Auden他老人家对普天下肥胖直男不可理喻的心足意满心怀妒忌吧。 :mrgreen: 他老人家最擅长搞一个匪夷所思的点子,然后论证地头头是道,让人目瞪口呆。 :applaudit01:
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Post by Jun » 2007-08-14 7:11

How viscious he was toward fat men! :mad2:

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Post by Knowing » 2007-08-14 7:12

That is funny :mrgreen:
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Post by 森林的火焰 » 2007-08-14 8:23

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